Jussi Vahamaki(Tampere)-[V]
Yann Moulier Boutang(Paris)-[B]
Anto Monti (Helsinki) -[M]
[only parts of the panel and the discussion]

M: empire makes movement possible, but on the other side empire controls movement, migration.

V: concept of citizenship does citizenship has any other meaning apart from being born somewhere, in a state ... ? doubts about concept of citizenship...

the idea of autonomous politics, the idea of groups ... but a citizen is only a human being ...

to open up the idea of citizenship ... to belong to a group means to be part of the same political language and discussions.

Hardt/Negri: "Empire": the first demand of the multitude is global citizenship. residential papers - everybody needs full rights of citizenship

positive concept: it would probably destroy the political institutions of nation and states as we know it today.

B: question of global citizenship raised in western europe by the question of undocumented people who were outside of civil rights.

since the 11th sept we face a situation of undefinite war ... we have a global discussion, also in the united states, if globalisation was not to much.

the discussion is: respect more seriously the coming of so many people from the south.

(europe has known terrorism a long time before the states.) we are at a turning point: will people be granted less freedom of movement or will we use the situation to set new principles of free movement.

belonging to a community ... we are at the end of a concept of citizenship which was born in a old concept of regime, of the region where people were born, of place, which was not chosen by themself.

what could define rights and citizenship within new capitalism?

to immigrant somewhere is not a sufficient sign of the the subjevtive or objectiv wish of belonging to somewhere ...

we have a sharp decline between objective and subjective theories of citizenship ...

the internet, the new technologies are enforcing a new concept of citizenship linked to subjective belongings

old concept of citizenship: borders = enclosure / menkind was divided into seperated territories. the concept of border is rather a concept of frontier, internal frontier

idea: people are not linked that they are not property, they are linked by project

the situation now: we have a crisis of globalisation. the problem is fullfill the concept of - maybe not global - but new territorial citizenship ...

how is internet regulated apart from national states, how it deals with censorship, power of this multitude ... ?

what are the common rules of this and how should, or should not, be linked to with states, empire, ngo's ... ?

---- discussion:

Qestion: the idea of the "Transnational Republic", idea old of citizenship was closly linked to nations ... destinction between residency and citizenship
before citizenship was linked to national, to local problems. now the problems are global, you should have the chance to move from one system to another...

Question: missing the issue of caring what does it mean to care about a place, space, life what about intensity?

B: you belong to many things ... inclusive, not excusive system ... the only border we can accept is the border of destruction of the planet

the fact that people cross the borders of the fortress europe illegally every day shows that these people care about themself, they care about community, and this community has nothing to do with the objective idea of citizenship.

the importance of the internet:
example: http://freenet.sourceforge.net

freenetproject (ian clark) making it impossible to control information and communication.

M: the internet as a place of struggle, a place of confrontation, citizenship as result of a fight,  
 
LINKS
freenet project

 
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